When Attenborough met the gorillas - the story behind his iconic TV moment
It is the most memorable moment of Sir David Attenborough's broadcasting career.
They intended to show something very simple - a gorilla's thumb.
Attenborough wanted to explain how the development of thumbs and fingers allowed apes to grip tools.
The population in the Virungas had dropped below 285.
They were also difficult to approach.
But weeks after sending her a letter they received a reply inviting them to visit.
"We couldn't have got anywhere near them without Dian," he explains.
"She introduced us to this group and Dian taught us how to behave in their presence.
That's a challenging thing to do.
So you keep your head down and you make these belch vocalisations. "
It was this advice that led to the crew getting far closer than they ever expected.
But one of the younger gorillas, Poppy, had other ideas and tried to take off his shoes.
"So I did my best to respond," he says.
Only a minute or two of the encounter was captured on film.
Oblivious, Attenborough lay there in a sort of bliss.
"It was one of the most privileged moments of my life.
As they headed back down the mountain and began to drive off, things began to go wrong.
They heard the crack of rifles.
"We turned around the corner and there was an armed guard," he explains.
Rwandan soldiers stopped them at the next roadblock.
The crew were questioned about their work in a police headquarters and held in a hotel overnight.
The gorilla moment also left a legacy on the mountain.
In 1985, seven years after her meeting with Attenborough, Dian Fossey was murdered.
"I had no idea at the time what an incredible life Pablo would lead or the legacy he would leave.
I will never forget him," Sir David says.
As an infant, Pablo had been abandoned by his mother, making his survival to adulthood remarkable.
But his story went much further.
He died aged 33 while defending them.
"The story of Pablo's group has never been told," she says.
But just as with Attenborough's filming in the 1970s, things did not go as expected.
Once again, the gorillas were writing the script just as they had in 1978.
Any three-year-old might want to come and sit on your lap and use you as a piece of furniture.
The baby gorilla, Pablo, was doing the same thing to David.
"And the trust, I think was something that maybe surprised people.
they didn't realise you could be that way with the gorillas. "
As Attenborough said in the original footage: "We see the world in the same way as they do. "
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